i forgot to mention, i'm not letting price limit to what i am going to buy. i would like to save as much money as possible, but i want a rifle that will last. my yardage in the area's i hunt go from 0-500 yards (depends on where i place my stand). sometimes i hunt palmetto flats where you can see forever and sometimes i hunt swamps where you'll only get a 50 yard shot. the muzzleloader i am looking for must be capable of a 200 yard shot. which makes me lean more towards a .45 caliber, however a .50 caliber with 150 grains behind it ought to do the trick aswell.