I'm still waiting on my shipment of BS 460's so I can't comment on those yet. I have shot the 460 No Excuse's in my GPH and they shot very well with 70gr of 777 3F and no wad. Some of it was probably the peep sight set up I have on the rifle but I shot a .28" 3 shot group with that load at 75 yards. I plan on trying the same thing with the BS bullets when they arrive. Nimrodder, you might try them without the wad to see if it makes a difference.