i think i like it russell, a lot. the bow is holding unbelievably. and if you'll look at all the dampners - they've worked. i've got it quiet and just a little jump at the shot - just perfect. here's today at 40 yards - yeah i'm stringing them vertically a bit LOL - there's 7 arrows in there. i went and got 'em, and put 5 in the bull next to this one before throwing one off about 3". that's about where i'm at - 12-13 good ones in a row - taking my time - and then i'll throw one - not as far off as it used to go - but still off.