DD, I have to agree as well. I have been spotted countless times no matter how high I was, how still I was or how much scent control I practiced. This has led me to test the concept of a ladder stand this year though I almost always use a climber.As one of the others on here said, we are in their world. So I am beginning to think that their memory of their surroundings is much better than we give credit for. Think about it, they walk these trails evryday. Now there is something hanging out above them that wasn't there this morning!?!?!? So I'm going to try putting a stand out early in the fall and "slip" in during the season. I am buying one that has a lower skirt. (if that means anything) And I hope that they'll get used to its presence long before I get back into the woods.