I have been shooting a .308 win. since I was 13 and want shoot nothing else. I am 30 now and still shoot the same gun a 1962 Winchester model 77 lever action I have only had a couple of deer that was not recovered but that was when I was younger. and made some poor gut shots or something like that. but since I got older and wiser and more patient It will put the smack down on them. The farthest I have had one run In the past 13 yrs. is maybe 75 yrds. best deer gun out there in my opinion.