yeah i know what you mean.Nothing like a thick juicy elk steak. I was looking that website and those are some really small looking elk. If i were you, i'd wait until 3ed season, thats when the BIG boys start coming down. I know for a fact that if you wait until 3ed season and go to the western side of white river ntl forest, just right on the edge of meeker, you're going to take a big bull. I'll make sure i keep you and cayugad up to date on the elk and what area. My dads a sheriff in meeker so i'd be more than happy to come up and help either of you guys out.