I'm not sure I follow any of that post, NJ, we were talkng about Antler restrictions, and the killing of young bucks.

None of your data, thanks anyway, relates to that.

Ask all these people you're quoting what they think is the problem with their area. Maybe the Jan shotgun season?
I doubt any of them will say, &quot;they won't let us shoot small bucks, so now there's no big bucks&quot;. Hey, who knows, but I doubt it. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

We're talking about ARs, not increased do harvests, not QDM, just the taking of young 1.5yr old bucks.

I know you desperately want to prove some point, for whatever reason you're against ARs, but please try to present relevant facts, not go off on a tangent about something else.

If you have any data about ARs failing to increase the average age of male deer, I'd still love to hear it, seriously. Antecdotal evidence about this or that area has big bucks, but no ARs won't do it, I'm well aware of the large deer in states without ARs.

So do you have any data, once again, showing where ARs failed to increase the average age of male deer in a certain herd? Or are we going to talk about something else again?

We can start another thread about the reasons for the lack of big bucks in your area if you want, although I suspect we both agree it's due to the liberalized shotgun regs allowing a tremendous harvest of all tyopes of deer. We can discuss all the QDM issues you want, I suspect that except for this one, ARs, we'd pretty much agree, and agree it's a shame what NJ has done recently.

Let me know if you find anything relevant to this thread about ARs working or not.






&quot;In heaven, even the fish have antlers&quot;