Theres no doubt in my mind that theres 190+ in. deer in my area. There was a 184 killed on our property in 03, and a 191 killed in 06 in velvet. My average year, I end up shooting a mature 120 class buck before gun season starts (1st wk. of Nov.). I have a hard time passing 3.5 and 4.5 year olds that go P&Y, in hopes of a 180in. deer I may never even see. Im sure If I dedicated the next 5 years to killing a 180+ buck I could get the opportunity.