I had shot my deer during archery season last year, and then took my son on his first rifle hunt ever. He had missed his first deer roughly guessing it was a 14 pointer with a long drop. Then on his last day he missed another, I couldn't make the rack out very good as he was to far away. The size of him was hugh, about the size of 3 does as a big doe was with him. I told my son I can't wait to find him with the bow. I look forward to hunting him this fall.