my dad had one..im not sure if it was a diffrent model or what but it was a tiny little guy and weighed next to nothing...i would killed to carry that into the woods...he shooots a deer with it and says he doesnt like it and sells it..he got a steal on it too..350 for it used but in perfect condition with a redfield scope..he said he didnt like it! the shot he made was dam near imposible with a full sized rifle..he had a turn completly around and coulndt move his legs too far so had to move his upper body and this is inbetween saplings a stuff a full sized barrel would hit easy...and he makes a shot like that..it was a great shot being able to turn like that...and it was so light thats enough of a reason for me to buy one...we walk 2 miles to our deer spot...my 10+lb mausers a killer on that walk my shoulders besides deer!....i dont know what he was thinking..i never shot it but was there when he did..it was in 3006..at 50 it held a ok group but he isnt a great rifle shooter for some reason..but his pistol shooting is up there with some of the best...i never understood that...but thats how it is..im sure it would shot better than 2 inches at 50...ive seen him shoot rifles alot and none group better..he doetn care..he says if he can hit a paper plate at 50 he can kill a deer..he does so i guess i cant justify making him shoot tight groups...o well..if i didnt love the mauser id get a no1....maybe i still will if i can find one in SS.....i need an "all weahter rifle" pretty bad im 15 and look for excuses to buy new guns!!!