I use to keep a bludgeon tip in my quiver for practice at vermin. I shot a racoon dead square in the chest with it at 18 yards, knocked the piss out of him but he took of running and was nowhere to be found. That was out of a bow producing about 76 foot pounds of energy so I know it had to hurt. Now I use G5 small game head, yeah they cost more but last alot longer than any judo point I have ever seen.