ORIGINAL: bloodcreek

99% of my experience with turkeys WAS with a gun but i think they are often the same situations. I like to call sparringly and let the story play out, but there comes a point when i have made my mind up that the bird is not going to commit and will try something different. Hard cutting mixed with some purs sometimes was all it took to geta bird to commit, keep in mind im talking about AFTER the light calling that was not enough even though some times it is. switching calls has sometimes worked. Just brushing the leaves on the ground floor mimiking a feeding hen with an occasional pok note on the slate is sometimes all it takes. My favorite that has worked for me than anything ,and inMY cases, it was woods birds not field birds. Say the bird is answering your calls but will never commit, you know the ones that turn into a never ending story, you have tried everything including going silent on him. If you can wait him out and let him move say 100 yards, slip into the exact spot where he was hung up and start yelping, if he answers, start cutting, yelping, then go silent and wait. This one has landed me and my son a handful of birds that were previoulsy hung up. I think they find comfort in knowing the hen is now in a SAFE place they just were, and are more apt to come in. Decoys have sometimes made the difference as an added visual. not sure if this is the kind of info your looking for but it may help someone out one day.