if you can remain standing and at full draw without being detected shoot above the wing, or the base on the neck if the bird turns away from you your height + downward angle of shoot will pin the bird to the ground. i've only done this once but give'n the chance i'll do it again. i have better luck holding full draw from a standing position (my buddies thought i was nut's for standing up but the pointis i pulled it off with success)PS-do what ya gotta do.