Hey gibblet, nothing last forever! thats why they call us mortals.We are talking 80#s, If that offends people why would they respond or even check out the thread? I go into threads that interest me, not to whine and complain about thingsthat others do. It might be alot different story if those guys personally knew me or came over to my house to have a couple beers and to sling some sticks. but to talk blindley is total ignorance, I can deal with stupidity no problem, but ignorance, I have a problem with. I try not to make a habit out of judging or tell other people what to do. What I do works well for me. As for thestatement about friend and family, I will not comment on that IGNORANT comment. Thanks for your concerns!!!