Thanks for the info. Is there that much of a difference between a 165 gr and 180 gr in a "real" hunting situation, I know on paper there doesn't seem to be that big of difference. As far as the .270, what would be the proper bullet weight for elk and deer? Here in Texas we go for the lighter, flatter shooting bullets for deer and I'm not sure of the benifits of a heavy bullet at longer ranges (300-400 yds) for larger game.