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04-09-2007 | 09:17 AM

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BigJ71

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RE: Are Crossbows Considered Archery???

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Big John
Now I never said You thought it was shot like a compound or traditional bow, You made it clear in your opening statement, that it was not!

I call it a crossbow, have since I was about 5 years old, my Grandchildern call it a crossbow, even said it has a bow on it

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As far as the word Crossbow not having the word gun in it, It's because Crossbows came befor guns.
Since it has a gun stock and is Shot like a GUN, If gun's had been made first, do you honestly believe it would have not been called a Bowgun, Boltgun, Gunbow, or yes, even aArrowgunor somthing of that sort.? In other words since the invention of the gun, and everythingmade since the gun,with a pistol grip, or a gun stock, has been called a gun of some sort, Air Gun, Water Gun, Ratchet Gun, Grease Gun, BB Gun, ect, ect, Yet none of these Gun's launch a projectile from a ignited powderd propellant!

We could pick each others post's apart for days, but let's get back to the real Issue at hand, Is it Archery!
You claim it is because it has a bow , I say, once you lay a Bolt in the track of a crossbow, The Archer has left the Building! Again, No Archer, No Archery.
It takes Zero archery skills to shoot a crossbow, no matter how many Bow and Arrow components it is made up of! And I'm sure you know this as well.

And let me end by saying, I'm not the bad guy here, I helped to get it so Handicaped Bowhunters could hunt with a Crossbow during Archery season. I'm all for them having their own season.
The Bad guy's are Crossbow manufactures spending hundred's of thousands of dollars, maybe millions, and archery shop owner's trying to open up our Archery season for a whole new market for their profit, and Gun Hunters that will jump at the chance to Chisel away at even more of our Archery season. We have already went from a once generous 75 day season in my state,to 45 from these special intrest group's, not counting the early youth season a week befor Archery season opens.

Some states with low Hunter numbers, it may not make a differance, (They always use OHIO as an example)I think my State sold somthimg like 650,000 deer tag's last year (someone correct me if I'm wrong) If you take 1/4 of that who would hunt with a crossbow (just guessing) your looking at an additional 162,500 thrown into our archery season and public hunting land.

Like I said, I'm just your average John trying to keep Archery season for Archers. If someone wants to hunt Archery season they can aquire a Bow and some Arrows and learn to be an Archer, If not, they can hunt with a gun or Gun type fired bolt launcher in their 3 Gun season's where it belongs.

Sliver,

Please re-read my posts, I am very carefull about my word selection. I was not and am not talking about bbguns, waterguns, capguns or any other "gun" for that matter. I simply said that a crossbow's mechanics are more bow like than they are a "firearm".

Big John, Your killing me here, go back and read this part of my post, it was part of the answer to the question you asked.

To answer your question about it being "archery" No I don't think a crossbowman shoots a crossbowthe same way I shoot my compound. But I also don't think a compound bow shooter shoots the same as a traditional or REALarchereither, bigdifference between the two.

I have a28# recurve target bow, and a 80# 65% let off compound that holds 28#, bare bow and fingers,or however you load them up as long as their the same, from the time you put your hand in the grip till after the follow through,they take the exact same skills as an archer to shoot.If mr recurve shooter cant pull 80#, in this case the real archer my be the compound shooter.And you said it your self a crossbow is shot like a gun, not like a bow! Or asArthur P would say, a gun shot like a crossbow!

I started out shooting long and recurve bows like most ofus folks who grew up in the late 60's and 70's. (or earlier)I still dust them off even today but I do not consider myself an archer not even by a stretch. I'm a bowhunter and my tool is a compound bow, yes I draw it like a traditional bow but that's about all the two have in common. Yet a compound bow is still considered "archery tackle". I hope you don't mean to imply that all I need to do to become an archer is be able to draw a bow in the presence of my quary do you?

I hope your not implying,I imply such a thing!Do you imply if my traditional bows were not made by a cave man, I can't consider myself an archer?

Like I said I don't care if they allow crossbows into the archery seasons, it's fine by me. I'm just glad I can shoot my compound bow during "archery" season.

Well since I shoot trad and compound and fit your definition as an archer its not fine by me, the compounds can stay, no wait your right, youconvinced me, since I'm one of the few that should have a say so in the matter you and your compound can stay home too!
How you like those apples!

To me if we start talking about only "archers" being able to hunt during "archery" season.......the woods would be very empty indeed.

Hay, I'm out there to hunt, not Visit

Sliver,

I have been reading your posts....the whole time you're talking about "guns" and I'm talking about "firearms" big difference.

My contention is this, while a crossbow is indeed not SHOT like a bow it is stillmore BOW than FIREARM. There is no getting around that no matter how much you don't like them. By it's very definition it's a BOW mounted transversely on a stock.

Believe it or not I understand the reservations about letting crossbows into archer seasons, I don't agree but I understand completely. That being said If you had to break a crossbow down into a sub groupit only makes sense toput it into an archery sub group (like muzzleloaders are to rifles) because it has basically the: same ballistics, same effective range, same type of leathality (both kill by hemorrhage), same type of projectile and most importantly both use the EXACT SAME type of energy (limbs)and source (string)to propel the projectile.

How you or anyone can't see this is beyond me.

You want to fight about how crossbows don't belong inyour precious "archery season" fine, but don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining.

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