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ORIGINAL: BigJ12
ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker
ORIGINAL: BigJ12
While it is shot completely different than a compound or traditional bow,the basic mechanical principles arethe same for all three. They all utilize energy stored in the limbs and propel an arrow by the use of a string. You can callit a bolt all you want and indeed that's it's proper name butwe all know it's just a short arrow. It has a tip/broadhead, insert,shaft (wood, aluminum, fiberglass or carbon fiber construction) nock and fletchings just likea compound or traditionalbows arrows do........it's an arrow.They both have the same effective range as well.
BigJohn, looks like were going tobutt head's on this one!
Your right, it is shot completely different, Just like a Rifle! It takes the Archer out of Archery.
And Your alsoright that they do share (some) of the same basic mechanical principles, but so does ariding Lawn Mower, a Motorcycle, and a M1 Tank! When they bolted it to a Rifle stock, they cut the Archer out of the picture.
You will not find the word Crossbow in Webster's under Archer or Archery, only Bow and Arrow's.
A shooter that uses a Crossbow is called a Crossbowman not an Archer.
I will call it a Bolt (shaft or missile for a Crossbow) You can call it a short arrow.
Do Bolt's have nock's on them now? (I don't know)
About 22 or 23 years ago I went to a 3D shoot that had a Crossbow set up for 100 yards,I shot 5 out of 5 in a paper plate at that distance the first time I everpicked one up, and I'm sure they have improved some what over that time, So I don't buy that same effective range as a compound.
I personally don't care if people want to separate the seasons or lump them together with the regular archery season, makes no difference to me. But make no mistake about it a crossbow is archery tackle and no amount ofdistain or hatred for it will change that fact.
Well it make's a difference to me in this state, they can use one in the early youth season a week befor Bow season opens, the Handycap season in the middle of Oct, the regular 15 day Rifle season in Nov, the 10 day Black Powder season in Dec, or the other 10 day late Rifle season in Dec, or if there incapable of shooting a Bow they can get a Doctors slip, and Hunt everyone's season.
John just because you say so, don't make it so, Fact is a Crossbow is half Bow, Half Gun, SHOT like a Gun, now try and spell Archery when you remove the Archer!
No distain or hatred here, Just trying to keep Archery season for Archer's for the last 23 years or so.
Everybody is going to have a different perception as to how "archery like" the shooting of a crossbow is. Some will think it more archery and some will not but that doesn't change what the weapon is.
Mark me down in the will not column, because I consider it a Gunbow, shot like a Gun, with no Archer involved!
Sliver,
You will get no arguments from meabout how a crossbow is shot. Most are shouldered like a rifle.
My only contention is they are more like a bow than a firearm. Bows use energy stored in their limbs and propel a "projectile" by the use of a string.
Firearms use energy from exploded gun powder to propel their "projectile" BIG difference in their basic operations.
Since you are so hung up on proper names and the word archer, please tell me where in the word crossbow do you see anything that makes mention to a firearm????
It's called a crossbow because it's a BOW mounted transversely on a stock. It's not a firearm with a bow mounted on it...oops, there I go again using the word bow. It's tough not to when it's in the name of the weapon you are trying to describe......but it's not a bow....nah
I never said it's shot like a compound or traditional bow, all I said is that it's more like a bow than a firearm.....and it is.
Big John
Now I never said You thought it was shot like a compound or traditional bow, You made it clear in your opening statement, that it was not!
I call it a crossbow, have since I was about 5 years old, my Grandchildern call it a crossbow, even said it has a bow on it
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As far as the word Crossbow not having the word gun in it, It's because Crossbows came befor guns.
Since it has a gun stock and is Shot like a GUN, If gun's had been made first, do you honestly believe it would have not been called a Bowgun, Boltgun, Gunbow, or yes, even aArrowgunor somthing of that sort.? In other words since the invention of the gun, and everythingmade since the gun,with a pistol grip, or a gun stock, has been called a gun of some sort, Air Gun, Water Gun, Ratchet Gun, Grease Gun, BB Gun, ect, ect, Yet none of these Gun's launch a projectile from a ignited powderd propellant!
We could pick each others post's apart for days, but let's get back to the real Issue at hand, Is it Archery!
You claim it is because it has a bow , I say, once you lay a Bolt in the track of a crossbow, The Archer has left the Building! Again, No Archer, No Archery.
It takes Zero archery skills to shoot a crossbow, no matter how many Bow and Arrow components it is made up of! And I'm sure you know this as well.
And let me end by saying, I'm not the bad guy here, I helped to get it so Handicaped Bowhunters could hunt with a Crossbow during Archery season. I'm all for them having their own season.
The Bad guy's are Crossbow manufactures spending hundred's of thousands of dollars, maybe millions, and archery shop owner's trying to open up our Archery season for a whole new market for their profit, and Gun Hunters that will jump at the chance to Chisel away at even more of our Archery season. We have already went from a once generous 75 day season in my state,to 45 from these special intrest group's, not counting the early youth season a week befor Archery season opens.
Some states with low Hunter numbers, it may not make a differance, (They always use OHIO as an example)I think my State sold somthimg like 650,000 deer tag's last year (someone correct me if I'm wrong) If you take 1/4 of that who would hunt with a crossbow (just guessing) your looking at an additional 162,500 thrown into our archery season and public hunting land.
Like I said, I'm just your average John trying to keep Archery season for Archers. If someone wants to hunt Archery season they can aquire a Bow and some Arrows and learn to be an Archer, If not, they can hunt with a gun or Gun type fired bolt launcher in their 3 Gun season's where it belongs.