Thanks for the replies guys , I genraly shoot feathers also but had a lot of rain days this year and am trying to find a vaned arrow for those conditions , also with vanes my arrows are around 425 grains and with feathers around 400 . I know they had some problems with the trap door and I remember they had a limited life span but may give that a try or its back to feathers . Jeff have you shot vanes through your setup ? when I say I'm getting contact its not just a littel its alot like black marks and screwed up half way from the edge of the vane to the shaft . I've never had this problem with these rests before but the way hoyt has the rest hole toward the back of the risor and its narrowness is what I think is causeing this problem for me , still I could not believe it when it did it with the trophy taker it looks like it drops very quikly . I did notice that the cabel that pulls downward when you draw does not move in a downward motion as much as some of the other bows I have setup .

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