I know I am not going to shoot past 100 yds w/ my 30-30 contender pistol andIdo just fine w/ winchester ammo (5 inch grps at 100 yds) and it is a whole lot cheaper. Some people on this post have summed it up 30-30 is for brush busting 100 yds and closer want to shoot long range buy a gun to suit long range shooting. I was worried when it came out people would try to over extend the capabilities of their gun