Looks like some of you guys need to hit the wieghts.[8D]jk. The main reason I chose the Black Ice was because of the draw, when I drew it for the first time, it felt like it was backed all the way down. After asking the guy it was actually at 65lbs, instead of the 60 Iwas thinking, that sold me instantly. Then boy did I make a costly mistake by shooting it. Dead to the hand and fast to boot. Needless to say I was $1000 short after the day. But don't forget its solocam, you pay for the draw and not the speed.