I vote for the old Savahe as well. Many say that this rifle was 50 years ahead of its time. I agree. It had an excellent magazine design and would handle pointed buttets right from the start. It handled high preasure cartridges like the 308 with no design change. It is a crime that Savage allowed this fine rifle to slip from thier line. The Browning would be my second choice, they work prteey well. However when you take the price into account I think the Marlin is the best of the current offerings FOR THE MONEY. I have had good success with Marlins 1895 45-70 for Bears. I don,t care much for the guide gun though it is a good gun for its intended use.