cayugad I just bought the pine ridge 1x20 scope that cabelas sales yesterday. They had a Law Enforcement appreciation sale and with my discount I picked it up for 41.99. I have a simmons 1x20 that I been using on the Lighting and It is hard to see my target past 50 yards but my groups are pretty impressive with it. Ask savagescout he was there one day. The pine ridge looks to be more clear and things dont seem to be as small compared to the simmons. The good part is it is only 69 dollars brand new. I still shoot red dots alot but I really like the scope for the crosshairs. Good luck with yours and report back on your results.