if I'm hunting public land that has allot of activity (hunters) then if I'm not out there sitting in stand1 1/2 hour before daylight ., I'm toast ., there already there(hunters) but if i hunt some of the privet stuff,. i will get there about 1 hour or 45 min before the crack of light, cause that is bigger woods and they don't come in (where i hunt ) till around just before sun up.,