Windwalker, you are kind of ignoring what was said ain't ya?
I clearly explained and clarified that it was Sproul who said"proven."
If you didn't understand that here it is again --- Sproulman said "proven" and later changed his post to edit that out.

I also clearly said that you stated it as a fact, in as--- "yes they are." That isn't a maybe, it isn't a could be, it isn't might be, it is stated as a fact.
Do you need that explained also?

Anyway, you've convinced me -- "black and white facial markings" and a blurry video is enough to convict someone along with witness testimony.
I think humans are mostly capable of identifying other humans but blurry, unidentifiable video certainly isn't proof on it's own.

"You"stated some humans mistake bobcats for cougars -- it ain't the same thing as one human identifying another.

Oh well, I really don't care. If and when there's is "real proof" of a "wild" (not pet) mountain lion, then I will glady accept them as existing in our forests. (except when they go to Florida for the winter to avoid the snow)