ORIGINAL: aeroslinger
"Anecdotal evidence" and testimonials are pretty good assets to have.
I prefer facts.
If science said something did work and people took it to the field and routinely got busted they would not care what the science said, they would not use it.
This statement right there demonstrates the major stumbling block in this debate. There are those that know the facts and then there are those that know the facts but don't care about them because of something they "saw" or "heard", or perceived anecdotally in the woods. There is no way to argue with that twisted logic........it's like trying to tell someone that they didn't kill a huge buck because of the rabbit's foot in their pocket or the "lucky" shirt they were wearing..........if they believe it helped them then no amount of factual logic will change their mind. What boggles my mind is why anyone would need to "see for themselves" when you already know the answer.........that is equivalent to leaping form your treestand to "see for yourself" that science was right about gravity.
What you and others fail to recognize is that you are not the only, nor the best, nor the most experienced hunters around.
I don't think anyone has ever made that assertion.
You also fail to recognize that a great majority understand the clothings limitations.
If you TRUELY understood the clothings limitations I doubt you wouldn't own it or use it. Just to be fair though I would LOVE to hear your explanation of how the suit eliminates your scent at a significant level (forget the regeneration stuff for this discussion) considering the photo that I showed you with no more then 30% of the surface area of the fabric containing carbon particles..........also considering that physics dictates that airflow (and other forms of matter) will ALWAYS follow the path of least resistance which in any non air tight garment would be the neck, arm, waist, and leg openings. Even assuming ALL the air from inside the suit got somehow forced through the garment (which everyone knows doesn't happen) 70% of it will never even touch the carbon. If you can explain to me and everyone else how this eliminates your scent effectively I will be very impressed.
Yes, just about anybody can have a fawn walk up to them, whether they are good at scent control or not. But when you notice more and closer encounters with mature deer, you're going to ponder what you did differently and continue doing those things. Naturally, if the only thing you did differently was add some carbon clothing, you would assume it was working.
This is always where it gets silly...........and frankly, stuff like that is insulting to the intelligence of all hunters. It's the kind of crap they put on labels (of every product) to sell to gullable, desperate people looking for magic in a bottle. It's just stupid to pin success or lack of it on a product. Your success depends on so many different factors that statements like these are laughable. Check out Buckeye's thread........it is FULL of guys saying they either don't wear it and do just fine or HAVE work it and noticed no difference.........couple that with the fact that mature deer fall by the boat load year after year to guys who use every product and guys who use no products alike.......and they have for hundreds of years. That is why anecdotal stories are useless........for every one you hear there is another one to contradict it.
If something doesn't perform or is junk, the buying public will figure it out pretty fast, not 20 years later and still going strong.
That's not true in this case because there is no way to know if the product is working or not........other then faith.......and the fact that it is camo will keep people wearing it no matter what just so they don't feel like they wasted their money. If a rest doesn't work you can't shoot.......if a pair of boots doesn't work you freeze.........if a rangefinder doesn't work you have to guess.......if a treestand doesn't work you get hurt or killed.........if a broadhead doesn't work you lose a deer........if carbon doesn't work you just sit there thinking (and hoping) it does.
I know you are a firm believer in having to own a carbon suit to have a valid opinion on them..........how do you respond to all the people in Buckeye's thread that have said they owned the suits and they did nothing for them.