And all we get out of the bashers is the same old tired arguments that it doesn't work and we're not as smart or got duped, googling up the same old biased writings by someone who possibly has a different agenda, pulling out the same old tired technical data that was written for industrial use of carbon, not pertaining to the item at hand. And for what? That's the odd part. Who gives a rat's behind what the other guy does or wears. If it makes him happy and its legal, how's that hurting anybody else's feelings? Why the compulsion to just slam? 99 out of 100 USERS differ. They can read and are just as "educated" as the bashers. Plus they actually use the stuff as it is supposed to be used. Not just buying a pair of gloves or just a jacket and then proclaiming they're experts on the stuff.