i killed my first deer when I was 12.It was an 11 pt with an 18.5 inch inside spread. I dont think this made me very spoiled. It took me 4 years to kill my first deer. The next two years i took a small 7 pt. and a doe. This year i passed up shots on a couple of does because I saw a big buck during bow season. The first day of gun season the buck walked up a field edge to withen eight yards. (Wish I had my bow with me)I didnt see him till he was 20 yards away because of a briar thicket. ran about 20 yards. Bullet went through the sholder and into his vitals, not much left of lungs or heart. He was a 8 pt. with 2 stickers 18. in inside spread 9.5 tall 195 lbs. field dressed.