Thanks for the info. I been shooting as well as loading for a 7mm mag for myself for the last 20 years or so and I realize that the 7-08 is also a .284 cal. I have seen the cartriges for the 7-08 and have checked the loading info for them. I have been looking at youth model guns with a 20 in. barrel so I think I'm on the right track. How's the recoil on the 7-08? I haven't been able to find info on that.