I'm learning alot from this thread. I never thought that I could get too close. The last 2 seasons I have been afforded the opportunity to sneak in very close to roosted birds. I did score both seasons, but there were some birds that just wouldn't come in no matter what. I'm thinking I just might have been too close to start. My tree calling might have seemed out of place although I did get responses. The hens always pitched down away from me and the gobbler always followed. I'm going to be thinking about this thread when I hit that particular farm this season.