The 2 1/4 oz turkey loads out of my light weight 835 kick, in my opinion worse than anything I have ever shot, with the exception of a .460 Weatherby, a .458 Lott, and one rather lightweight .416. Nothing in the conventional catagory comes close, not even the ultra mags or the weatherbys. But, the recoil is much different in shotguns and in rifles, its sharper and quicker in rifles for some reason it seems, while shotguns seem to be more of a massive whallop...I suppose its the faster powder of shotguns that do it.