yea thats what all yall non texas guys always say[:'(]but if you hunted where i did youll see why we use feeders they are very important where i hunt so[:'(]to your tree hunting and.....[:'(]hahahahah nah im just playin but feeders are important over here...and as for feeder height i would say about 6 ft-5ft unless you got bears put it on a tree