I shot a nice 8 pointer 170lbs+ out of a treestand in November. Probally a 60 + yard shot. I knew hit that dear because he was pushed back hard and jolted hard. He ran a good 75 yards and dropped dead. Bullet went straight through the chest and mushroomed perfectly in the elbow of front leg. Winchester 24 grain softpoint. I went out and picked up a few more boxes, they work good. Marlin 1894 w/ williams peep sight w/ fiber optic front sight.