RE: Allegheny vs NC
quote,I guess you somehow missed the fact that the deer harvests in Allegheny County, city streets, housing developmentsand all have been three to four times as high per square mile as what the harvests have been in the big woods and open to hunting public access areas of Elk, Cameron and Clinton Counties.
Once again take notice of the fact the data proves they have been killing a lot more deer per square mile in Allegheny County instead of protecting them with refuges as you suggested. quote
You're losing me RSB.Of coarse the deer are protected in developements,streets,private woodlots and such where as the deer on big public lands in the past were hunted hard by more public land hunters as a result reduced.Deer in Allegheny have places of refuge which results in plenty being saved.Now the habitat is in good condition there so the does are healthy enough to give birth to multiple fawns in most cases.And on top of that bears and coyotes are few and far between compared to the NC.So I think it's alot more to the high harvests in areas like this then just good habitat.There's other factors and I still think they come back to the first one being lack of access or places of refuge.Then the fewer predators,better winters,and good habitat play off that.
I agree alot of places in the NC have bad habitat and alot more predators but still the herds were reduced drastically by HR.And that brings us back to the original discussion of whether or not SGL's in the southern counties can be overharvested and from what I've seen on different occassions this can be the case.