can you even still find them?? think they quit making them..but im not posative...everything i heard was that they are OK..but nothing great in terms of accuracy...but every gun is diffrent...i heard they quit making them because if you shoot someone with them they cant trace it back to the gun because the bullet is in a sabot....but they make sabot slugs and ML bullets?? guess your more likely to snipe someone out with a centerfire than a slug or ML? i dont know..i dont hunt people lol..but thats what i heard?