Don Fischer (and others): I imagine all of us will accept that professional snipers beat the hunters hands down. I took the original post in less than literal terms and tried to find where I thought he was headed and address those thoughts. I think the point may be that hunters have some backbone and threat that your average dude in the 'hood slinking around in oversized shorts drooping off his butt doesn't present to potential attackers. Or maybe the point of comparison is not the average dude in the 'hood, but the average disarmed and woods-ignorant citizen of other countries. What is the potential that your wine tippling Frenchman is going to resist an attacking force? Ooops, wait, that already happened in 1940, didn't it? Well, point made. Switzerland, au contraire, obliges every male citizen (maybe every Adult citizen, I'm not sure about the sex constraint) to own an appropriate rifle and have it an ammo at the crib and to practice with the rifle.