Thanks Huck, nice post. I don't think the point of the thread was to argue one position or the other but to create an environment where we can discuss our opinions and maybe have or basis for those opinions challenged. I'm not looking for an arguement but to hear reasons and responses. I like vinyari's response and his insight into some Canadian's views of Americans. To answer his question: yes, for some Americans money is not as precious an object as time. Huck eluded to it in his post. Time can be the limiting factor for some people, for others it could be money, and for others it could be both. Some people have the ability to make lots of money, often this comes at a price, their time becomes a premium. I don't envy those people, just as I don't envy those who have no time or money. I would rather have the time and limited money myself, or plenty of both . When I was younger I would work on my car and do everything myself. As I got older and my ability to make more money with my time it became more cost effective to have others do some of the work for me. My buddy is a plumber and is building his house. He wants to do as much of the work himself as he can but I've told him that there are some jobs that the mark-up is so small that he's actually paying himself for the privilage of working. He can make more per hour doing his profession than he would be paying an unskilled laborer to be doing some of the jobs he wanted to do, thus creating a net loss for himself. I think another factor is people's unwillingness to deal with an unknown. They would rather spend the money and trust in the experience of another "professional" than do what it takes to become proficient in an endeavor and take the risks necessary to do it on their own. They feel the are buying "insurance" of a good hunt.