Eatsleephunt i appreciate the advice and idea's, i have offered to work for hunting rights. I came across a couple of farmer's last August that were bailing their third cutting and being no stranger to the kick-bailer/bailking wagon combo asked if i could lend a hand unloading in exchange to hunt. For some reason they still answered "no". Thats ok i don't hate them for it, it just puzzles me a bit. Also I don't go flying down gravel roads and up driveways, and often times i am dressed in my college baseball team's garb. But i do drive a four wheel drive truck w/ muzzy, ASAT, Montana Decoy and Carbon Express stickers! Does this make me a bad person?