Bigcountry, please don't think my post was in any way critical of the white collar types. Work is work. and I agree about the time off. I have tried on several occasions to get my boss out hunting with me. He can't find the time. He, (on salary), usually works 10 -20 hours a week more than I do. In the end I don't think that $ for $ and hour for hour he makes any more than I do when you add my OT that he doesn't get. And you are right to about cutting class. I'd be white collar if I'd kept my butt in a school chair!