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02-11-2007 | 01:11 PM

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R.S.B.

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RE: PGC SAYS DEER ARE STARVING

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sproul knows difference between a starving deer and a BIG FAT SASSY DOE..my pictures show no deer that look like they are starving..

cant you see it just excuse to get rid of deer there..yes, there may be too many for area, i am not saying that, i am saying i feel they could be trapped out by PENN STATE GIRLS and moved so hunters can hunt them next year..thats my whole bitch here..

as for cost, what did it cost to trap deer in wmu2g for 5 year study and come to conclusion we dont know how to hunt?they came up with money for that.. oh , i forgot , they are full of disease, yea right, you know who is full of it..

For every deer you trap and transfer you better bring about 32 acres of high quality deer habitat with it. It is the habitat and food each deer needs that are hard to move and there is no sense moving the deer if there isn’t the habitat and food for the deer to survive on.

Besides I have been involved in tranquilizing and moving deer in the past. Darn few of them actually survive the move.

The deer you are talking about in the study weren’t moved they were captured and then with minimal exposure to people they were collared and quickly released back into their home range. That is a mighty big difference to trapping, moving and relocating deer……that simply doesn’t work.

R.S.Bodenhorn

rsb, can you answer this, not being smarty pants..the deer here were brought into wmu2g years ago from MICHIGAN..they were brought in pick up trucks,if that is correct..after your answer i will have another question, thank you..

why then did those deer not die?i believe that is 15 hr drive?

When the deer were restocked in Pennsylvania they came from several states, not just Michigan and many of the reintroduced deer actually came from captive deer herds’ right here in Pennsylvania.

Many of those deer that came here from other states came by railroad.

I am also quite sure that many of those deer, that were being shipped here, did die while being handled at the capture site, while in transit and even after being released. Just because they didn’t wave a banner proclaiming how many deer died through the process sure doesn’t mean the mortality wasn’t high.

When we handle a deer and it dies from that stress we don’t run news articles about it or anything like that. We don't hide it but we don't advertize it either; it is just one of these factors that isn’t advertised or promoted to the public or themedia.

Just to put the affects of handling deer in perspective all you have to do is take a look at the mortality causes of the does that died after being handled in the two recent study areas. Those are deer that weren’t even moved, only captured, collared and quickly released at the same location they were captured.

Of the 109 does handled in those two study areas, between January 2005 and June of 2006, seven of them were known to have been capture related mortalities with another nine being unknown cause of mortality and possibly stress related. That is equal to the sixteen that were killed by hunters.

Remember those are deer that were not moved but only captured thenquickly and professionally handled and released back into the same place they were captured. Just think how much higher that mortality would have been if they had been relocated and dumped out in a new area. Even deer propagators, who are working with domestic deer that are accustomed to being touched and handled by people, have high mortality rates when they start moving them around.

Trap and transfer of deer just doesn't work very well. Deer are to high-strung to survive the stress without being injured or just outright dying in the process.

R.S.Bodenhorn

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