Another question? How many of seen deer look like the second photo I posted in Pa. woods over the last 20 years when the herd numbers was high? I can honestly say Not once have I seen a deer look like that. I am sure someone prob seen 1 or 2 of the pastyears, but never in the same year. So how can we conclude that deer are over populated and starving from lack of food during winter if there is no physical looking evidence? It's like a skinny chick and a fat chick. They both can be healthy but unlike deer, Most would prefer the thinner chick over the fat one. If a deer is under 100lbs and looks healthy without ribs showing it still must be starving and unhealthy because it isn't chunky.