On my '02 Patriot the reflex is 2 3/4 inches without the grip and probably 3 inches with the grip. If I remember right, my Wife's Parker UL 31 had 2 1/2 inches of reflex which is not that much different than the Patriot. I think that much of the Pat's balance traits is due to the weighted sand trap limb pockets. The '03 Patriot does not have the sand trap limb pockets so the balance should be much improved if the reflex geometry is the same.