i remember someone had pics on here a while back..maybe a couple years now..but i think they needed stitched up. then big ole longbeards can be dangerous. dad taught me to leave the gun and vest at the tree and get to the bird as fast as possible and straddle it and keep the feet and wings under control. had to do it with my first bird. still dont know if any BBs hit that thing. every time i think about it i know my bead was a good foot infront of him..but he went down and made it 15yds or so before i got to him...but he went home with me! its almost instinct to grab their feet though for some reason...