cayaqad hit the nail on the head when he said to not be fooled by the new technology. That MK 85 is a great rifle. The ONLY disadvantage is the cleaning process. I have a few ML's and my Knight BK 92 would be the last to go. It shoots a Barnes 295 gr bullet backed up with 95 gr pyro like a centerfire.There are some great prices on new Knightsnow. Advertising was not one of Knights strong suites. They had it their wayfor a long time. Then TC'sconstant "it easier to clean" ads pretty well shut Knights ML down.