You can get some great deals on Knights right now. Yes they are a little more trouble to clean. Yes they will shoot just as good as anything else out ther. Plus after they take the Knight apart a few times they will have a better understanding of how a ML works. But there are a lot of options out there. One of my grandsons shoots my old TC Hawkins and always selects it instead of 4 other ML that are inlines with a scope. Cayaqad has a good idea in his post about the Lymans. ML.