But it seems Doug that you think the hunters who question any side of the deer management policies are ignorant of the habitat problems which I'm finding isn't true in all cases.Down here the allocations have become very liberal and public land is getting hammered with the easy access.Trust me the place I'm talking about doesn't have a habitat and/or regeneration problem.The deer numbers are so low because of overharvesting.And maybe the percentage of org members we're discussing are concerned about such places where they hunt.