What really causes me to wonder is how the timber barrons can expect we hunters to provide them with ideal conditions when they contribute nothing. They take from the forest (and game lands) and put nothing back. They don't lime. They don't burn, they just take.

Everyone including DougE (dce) is concerned about the profitabe timber. Red Oak, Black Cherry, hemlock, Veneer trees, etc. Never does anyone say or do anything about adding to the habitat to benefit the creatures who live there.

Did you ever see a timber or paper and pulp company plant a Hawthorne? How about a Paw-Paw tree? How many Persimon trees have you encountersd on a Game Lands or ina State Forest? Ever seen a High Bush Cranberry bush?

When they timber a Game Lands they are only required to plant the roads they make/use. Guess what they plant? Rye grass. Grouse, Turkeys, and Rabbit, and Snowshoes eat a lot of that...NOT! They could give a rat's red rump about the wildlife, yet we are supposed to cater to the timber companies will.

DougE, please show us the documentation that states Red Oake thrive in highly acidic soil.

But once again, DougE (dce) is trying to take this thread off on a tangent (high-jack). It's about the Penn Fed Presidents statement DougF (dce). It's about the failing of that organization to honestly represent it's members at the PGC meeting. Either Mr. Ali knows what he's talking about or he's being led by the nose. You can't have it both ways, it's one or the other.

Reminds me of an insurance salesman trying to sell a $Million Dollar policy to a dieing man, knowing full well the insurance company won't pay off on a pre-existing condition.