Hello Trapper, I'm sorry, I was in a crapie mood at the time, and took what you had said the wrong way. I should't have taken it out on you!!Again i'm sorry. The rest of what I said was true. At least you got shot at with bird shot! Slugs are pretty scary. I walked the woods today (1/28/07)and found some trees with moose rubs all over them. Than about another hundered yards Ifound at least five separate rubs in this one area. The trees were about 4" in diameter. The trees were in groups of 4-5 each. A couple were about 4 feet apartor more.I'm 6 feet tall and these rubs stood just over my head.I never wen't into this area before. Just pulled of to the side of the road and started wallking the woods. Must be alot of moose out here or I just got lucky..Hope you had a goog day Trapper??