Rack up another for the Rem's. I like the 170's, haven't had a deer go more than 10 wobbly steps after a shot. With a 30/30 I'm not concerned about any deer past 150 yds so the Leverevolution are, imo, a waste. Just what I think. But in my neck of the woods the longest shot most are presented with is around 150-200 yds, so a super long shooting caliber and cartridge is not needed. I longest shot on a deer is probably around 90 yds, and he dropped in his tracks with the 170 Rem's.