I must say that these thing are absolutely awsome! I've shop 2 deer this year with the 30-30, 160grn, LeverRevolutions and! As if the expansion of these things weren't enough, the range they've add to my first love (30-30) is ! Last friday I shot this ole boy at 220yrd.....with a lever action brush gun! Bullet drop was roughly an inch. Deer traveled less than 20 yrds! Thanks Hornady!