Thanks guys, I'll probably by one of the crushed rib and one of the short ones. Man, there's lots of variables, and one could spend a fortune testing. I just wish I had cayugad's set up. I used to shoot my bow out to 40 yards in my back yard...until I pi**ed off the neighbor on that side. Turned my range around, and now I can only get 30 yards. That's the down side of suburb living.